{"id":19590,"date":"2025-01-06T11:17:42","date_gmt":"2025-01-06T10:17:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/?post_type=tribe_events&#038;p=19590"},"modified":"2025-01-06T11:23:19","modified_gmt":"2025-01-06T10:23:19","slug":"seminaire-expertises-economiques-et-actions-environnementales-discounting","status":"publish","type":"tribe_events","link":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/en\/evenement\/seminaire-expertises-economiques-et-actions-environnementales-discounting\/","title":{"rendered":"Seminar Economic expertise and environmental actions: Discounting"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\r\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><br \/>\r\n\u00a0The seminar \u201cEconomic expertise and environmental actions\u201d welcomes<\/p>\r\n<p class=\" has-text-align-center eplus-wrapper\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 18pt;\">B\u00e9atrice Cherrier and Liliana Doganova<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: 24pt;\">Discounting<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p class=\" eplus-wrapper\">This seminar will focus on discounting, a widespread framework for taking the future into account in economics and in the economy. Retracing both its intellectual history and the effects of its deployment as a valuation device, we will analy<ins>zs<\/ins>e it as a feature of economic models, as a political technology, and as a way to bring the future into existence \u2013 in particular the future of the climate and the environment.<\/p>\r\n<p class=\" eplus-wrapper\"><strong>B\u00e9atrice Cherrier (CREST)<\/strong><br \/>\r\n<strong>How the \u201cRamsey formula\u201d came to define time discounting in economics (1950-2000)<\/strong><\/p>\r\n<p class=\" eplus-wrapper\">Based on <a href=\"https:\/\/papers.ssrn.com\/sol3\/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4973044\">an article<\/a> written with Pedro Garcia Duarte, the talk investigates the emergence and stabilization of the Ramsey formula as a major framework for discounting in economics. Despite widespread belief, the formula did not originate in Frank Ramsey\u2019s 1928 paper. We track how policy and academic economists increasingly grappled with discounting in public investment decisions in the 1940s-1960s, with a few of them endorsing the ongoing work in optimal growth theory as the proper framework for deriving rates. This framework was further discussed in the 1970s and 1980s as the energy crisis made discounting for the\u00a0<em>distant future<\/em>\u00a0a salient issue. We show that it was only in the 1990s, as discounting in climate models was discussed in the context of IPCC reporting, that the Ramsey formula stabilized as a discounting framework. In the process, it transformed from an optimality condition to a definition, encompassing the debate between \u201cdescriptive\u201d and \u201cprescriptive\u201d approaches to discounting. Our research highlights the pivotal role of Kenneth Arrow in spreading the Ramsey formula, as well as the persistent tension between theoretical consistency, ethical choices and tractability motives in deciding whether and how to discount in economic models.<\/p>\r\n<p class=\" eplus-wrapper\"><strong>Liliana Doganova (CSI-i3, Mines Paris \u2013 PSL)<\/strong><br \/>\r\n<strong>Discounting the Future: The Ascendancy of a Political Technology<\/strong><\/p>\r\n<p class=\" eplus-wrapper\">The climate and ecological crisis prompts a question: have we lost our capacity to act on the future? In this talk, I propose to address this issue through the devices that compose our relationship with the future. I focus on a device that recently came under the spotlights in debates on climate change but has been entrenched in economic and policy practices for decades. This device is discounting: a technique that values all things through the flows of costs and benefits or revenues that they are likely to generate in the future, with these future flows being literally dis-counted as they are translated in the present.\u00a0 Building on my recently published book <a href=\"https:\/\/press.princeton.edu\/books\/hardcover\/9781942130918\/discounting-the-future\"><em>Discounting the Future:<\/em> <em>The Ascendancy of a Political Technology<\/em><\/a> (Zone Books, 2024), I outline three troubles with discounting. First, is the future worth less than the present, and should it be counted or discounted? Second, does value stem from the future, and should looking to the future guide acting in the present? Third, is discounting a general form of action, which can encompass all kinds of entities and issues? I discuss these three troubles through examples drawn from the historical sociology of discounting developed in the book as well as more recent examples. Analyzing discounting as a political technology leads to exploring the links between temporality and valuation. I conclude that shifting focus from the problem of (not) knowing the future to the problem of (de)valuing the future enables us to examine afresh what acting on the future means and entails.\u00a0<\/p>\r\n<p><!-- \/wp:post-content --><!-- \/wp:paragraph -->\r\n<!-- wp:html {\"epAnimationGeneratedClass\":\"edplus_anim-HDIjeE\",\"epGeneratedClass\":\"eplus-wrapper\"} --> <br \/>\r\n<!-- \/wp:html --><br \/>\r\n<!-- wp:image {\"id\":10159,\"width\":\"644px\",\"height\":\"auto\",\"sizeSlug\":\"full\",\"linkDestination\":\"none\",\"align\":\"center\",\"className\":\"\",\"epAnimationGeneratedClass\":\"edplus_anim-cto6pv\",\"epGeneratedClass\":\"eplus-wrapper\"} --><\/p>\r\n<figure class=\" wp-block-image aligncenter size-full is-resized eplus-wrapper\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-10159\" src=\"https:\/\/www.csi.minesparis.psl.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/12\/Discounting-avec-Be\u0301atrice-Cherrier-Liliana-Doganova.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"678\" height=\"338\" \/><\/figure>\r\n<p><!-- \/wp:image --><br \/>\r\n<!-- wp:html {\"epAnimationGeneratedClass\":\"edplus_anim-zkJ6ie\",\"epGeneratedClass\":\"eplus-wrapper\"} --> <br \/>\r\n<!-- \/wp:html --><br \/>\r\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"\",\"epAnimationGeneratedClass\":\"edplus_anim-d6VBvh\",\"epGeneratedClass\":\"eplus-wrapper\"} --><\/p>\r\n<p class=\" eplus-wrapper\"><strong>B\u00e9atrice Cherrier <\/strong>is a historian of economics, \u00a0a CNRS Research Director and professor at CREST (Centre de recherche en \u00e9conomie et statistique \u2013 CNRS, ENSAE Paris, \u00c9cole polytechnique). Her research focuses on the history of applied economics since the Second World War. She is interested in various aspects of \u201capplied work\u201d in economics: the history of specific fields (public economics, urban economics, environmental economics, macroeconomics); the practices of economists outside the academic world, in particular in central banks and international institutions; the influence of computerisation on economists\u2019 models, tools and practices, in particular their tractability constraints; finally, she is working on the consequences of the growing prestige of applied economics on the scientific recognition given to women economists since the 1970s.<\/p>\r\n<p class=\" eplus-wrapper\"><strong>Liliana Doganova <\/strong>is Associate Professor at Mines Paris \u2013 PSL and researcher at CSI (Centre de sociologie de l\u2019innovation, I3 UMR 9217). At the intersection of economic sociology and\u00a0Science and Technology Studies, her work has focused on business models, the\u00a0valorization of public research and markets for bio- and clean-technologies.\u00a0She has published\u00a0in journals such as <em>Economy and Society<\/em>, <em>the Journal of\u00a0Cultural Economy<\/em>,<em> Research Policy<\/em>,<em> Science as Culture<\/em>, and <em>Science and Public\u00a0Policy<\/em>. She is the author of <em>Valoriser la\u00a0science<\/em> (2012) and co-author of\u00a0<em>Capitalization: A Cultural Guide<\/em> (2017). Her latest book, <a href=\"https:\/\/press.princeton.edu\/books\/hardcover\/9781942130918\/discounting-the-future\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Discounting the Future: The Ascendancy of a Political Technology<\/em><\/a> (2024, Zone Books), explores the links between valuation and temporality through a historical sociology of the technique of discounting the future. Her new research projects focus on forests valuations (research conducted as part of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sv.uio.no\/tik\/english\/research\/projects\/Value-Threads%20\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Valuethreads<\/em><\/a> project, coordinated by Kristin Asdal at the University of Oslo) and on drug prices (research conducted with Vololona Rabeharisoa as part of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.socialpharmaceuticalinnovation.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">SPIN<\/a> project). Liliana is co-director, together with Cl\u00e9ment Marquet, of the program in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.csi.minesparis.psl.eu\/en\/teaching\/option-affaires-publiques-et-innovation-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Public Affairs and Innovation<\/a> at Ecole des Mines de Paris. She is a member of the editorial boards of <em>Valuation Studies<\/em>\u00a0and <em>Journal of Cultural Economy.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n<h2><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><br \/>\r\n<br \/>\r\n<!-- \/wp:html -->\r\n<!-- wp:heading {\"level\":4,\"className\":\"\",\"epAnimationGeneratedClass\":\"edplus_anim-PcGWra\",\"epGeneratedClass\":\"eplus-wrapper\"} -->Information and registration<!-- \/wp:heading -->\r\n<!-- wp:image {\"width\":\"161px\",\"height\":\"auto\",\"align\":\"left\",\"className\":\"\",\"epAnimationGeneratedClass\":\"edplus_anim-982XGp\",\"epGeneratedClass\":\"eplus-wrapper\"} --><\/h2>\r\n<figure class=\" wp-block-image alignleft is-resized eplus-wrapper\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.csi.minesparis.psl.eu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/Seminaire-Economie_Environnement_Image-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"L\u2019attribut alt de cette image est vide, son nom de fichier est Seminaire-Economie_Environnement_Image-150x150.jpg.\" \/><\/figure>\r\n<p id=\"block-3e9b54c3-9702-48c4-ad10-c6b89be680ff\" class=\" eplus-wrapper\">The session will also be streamed by videoconference. The link will be sent upon registration just before the seminar.<\/p>\r\n<p id=\"block-10ac396d-a995-4be0-970a-78953bc04350\" class=\" eplus-wrapper\">The seminar is open to all. <a href=\"https:\/\/framaforms.org\/expertises-economiques-et-actions-environnementales-discounting-1729599840\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Please register here <\/strong><\/a>to participate in this session<\/p>\r\n<p id=\"block-2ccb280f-525b-408a-8e07-9ea1fd8994a7\" class=\" eplus-wrapper\">Contact: <a href=\"mailto:beatrice.cointe@minesparis.psl.eu\">B\u00e9atrice Cointe<\/a>, <a href=\"mailto:kewan.mertens@minesparis.psl.eu\">Kewan Mertens<\/a> or <a href=\"mailto:alexandre.violle@sciencespo.fr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Alexandre Violle<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.csi.minesparis.psl.eu\/en\/seminars\/seminar-series-on-economic-expertise-and-environmental-actions\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>Find out more about the program<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\r\n<p class=\" eplus-wrapper\"><span style=\"font-size: 8pt;\">Photo credit: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnrs.fr\/fr\/personne\/beatrice-cherrier\">B\u00e9atrice Cherrier<\/a>, CNRS.<\/span><br \/>\r\n<span style=\"font-size: 8pt;\">Photo credit: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.csi.minesparis.psl.eu\/en\/people\/researchers\/liliana-doganova\/\">Liliana Doganova<\/a>, CSI-i3, Mines Paris &#8211; PSL<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><br \/>\r\n<!-- wp:paragraph {\"className\":\"\",\"epAnimationGeneratedClass\":\"edplus_anim-xb0Qjn\",\"epGeneratedClass\":\"eplus-wrapper\"} --><\/p>\r\n<p class=\" eplus-wrapper\">\u00a0<\/p>\r\n<p><!-- \/wp:paragraph --><\/p>\r\n<p class=\" has-text-align-center eplus-wrapper\" style=\"text-align: center;\">\u00a0<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The seminar welcomes B\u00e9atrice Cherrier (CREST) and Liliana Doganova (CSI).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":19392,"template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_tribe_events_status":"","_tribe_events_status_reason":"","footnotes":""},"tags":[],"tribe_events_cat":[160],"class_list":["post-19590","tribe_events","type-tribe_events","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","tribe_events_cat-seminaires-en","cat_seminaires-en","entry","has-media"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tribe_events\/19590","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tribe_events"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/tribe_events"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tribe_events\/19590\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/19392"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=19590"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=19590"},{"taxonomy":"tribe_events_cat","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/i3-cnrs.fr\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tribe_events_cat?post=19590"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}